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L'Iran va vendre le pétrole en Euros

Message par energy_isere » 07 déc. 2005, 13:17

On a déjà évoqué par ailleurs que l' IRAN préparait le passage de la vente du pétrole du dollar vers l' Euro.

Comme ca à l'air de se confirmer, je crée un sujet spécifique, l'actualité de début 2006, je pense, viendra abondemment en parler.

Les conséquences seront trés importantes à la fois sur le secteur pétrolier - financier - économique et géopolitique, vous vous en doutez bien.

http://www.energybulletin.net/11504.html
http://www.mehrnews.ir/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=260851
Iran prepares to sell oil in euros
MehrNews (Iran)
TEHRAN - The Chairman of the Majlis Energy Commission, Kamal Daneshyar said here, on Friday, that preparatory measures have been taken to sell oil in euros instead of dollar, adding that such a measure is quite positive and should be taken as soon as possible. Speaking to the Persian service of Iranian Students News Agency (ISNA), he went on to say that Iran should at the first phase sell its oil in both Dollar and Euro, and then gradually move toward Euro as the mere source.

As for the probable consequences of such a decision, Daneshyar said that when such a measure is taken, the United States would soon realize that it is not the one who can always inflict economic damages on the Islamic Republic and that Iran can also get even with it.

Daneshyar who also represents Mahshahr in the Majlis noted that prior to this the way was not paved for undertaking such a program, adding that fortunately the present government possesses the necessary management bravery to prepare the ground for taking such a measure.
(2 December 2005)

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Message par metamec » 07 déc. 2005, 14:24

il y a un article sur le sujet dans la lettre de l'aspo d'octobre.
Bakhtiari (iranien) n'y a jamais cru et ni croit toujours pas, d'ailleur il critique l'article de toni Straka (lettre aspo). Il semble que cela fasse 12 ans que l'iran a ce projet.
Le 'TEHRAN STOCK EXCHANGE' a perdu 20% en 3 mois, et bakhtiari pense que la bourse de pétrole iranienne ne fera jamais le poids face au nimex.
Le fin mot de l'histoire bientôt, elle doit ouvrir en mars

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Message par Djian » 07 déc. 2005, 15:21

La bourse Iranienne de pétrole supplantera le Nymex si les poids lourds y font leurs courses (Chine, Inde, Europe, Indonésie,...)

Par contre, la création d'une bourse ça se prépare et je suis surpris de ne pas trouver plus d'articles à ce sujet (la presse iranienne est-elle suffisament objective?).

De toutes façons, je pense que de nombreux pays seraient intéressés mais ne le déclarent pas pour ne pas s'attirer les foudres des USA.

Par contre, si l'Iran lance sa bourse.... les candidats seront nombreux je pense.....
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Message par Tiennel » 07 déc. 2005, 23:57

Et pourquoi ils ne la font pas en roubles, leur Bourse ? :-D

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Message par Cassandre » 08 déc. 2005, 02:37

Décompte des jours avant que les US déclarent la guewa l'Iran ! :-D
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Message par energy_isere » 08 déc. 2005, 13:02

ou Israel : ca a inspiré un nouveau sujet plutot musclé sur ce forum http://www.oleocene.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1522

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Message par energy_isere » 11 déc. 2005, 13:17

http://bellaciao.org/fr/article.php3?id_article=20980

Le véritable dispositif explosif en gestation actuellement en Iran consiste en la préparation d’un marché pétrolier en Euros, l’Iranian Oil Bourse qui va être fonctionnel dès mars 2006 et concurrencer l’International Petroleum Exchange et le New York Mercantile Exchange .

45 % des échanges commerciaux de l’Iran se font avec la zone euro , plus du tiers du pétrole exporté est destiné à l’Europe alors que la vente du pétrole vers les USA est nulle. Il est donc logique d’éviter des coûts majorés de transaction impliquant du change monétaire, d’autant que le dollar s’est dévalué de 26% depuis 2002.

L’actuel système de la domination du pétrodollar risque d’imploser , la planche à billets verts fonctionnant sans fournir en contre-partie des services ou des biens manufacturés a l’air d’avoir fait son temps.

De : Badia Benjelloun
samedi 26 novembre 2005

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Message par jersiaise » 11 déc. 2005, 17:07

Voilà, j'ai une question.

Petit détail : je suis une bouse en économie (mais pas en vaches... :lol: )

Si je résume trèssimplement, le dollar, soutenu par les énormes flux de devises pour acheter du pétrole, s'effondrera quand l'économie pétrolivore s'effondrera.

Si l'Iran vend son pétrole en euros, est-ce-que nous ne risquons pas d'avoir le même tour? (risque d'effondrement de l'économie)

(Si tant est que W les laisse faire, ce qui m'étonnerait)
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Message par energy_isere » 11 déc. 2005, 23:37

Si l'Iran vend son pétrole en euros, le dollar va baisser par rapport aux autres monnaies, baisser par rapport à l' Euro immédiatement,
les Chinois devront réevaluer le Yuan.
C'est d'abord l' economie US qui va trinquer. Mais les dommages collatéraux ( deséquilibre de l'économie va s'étendre un peu partout ) vont semer la pagaille partout.

Je ne pense pas que le gros succés soit assuré pour cette initiative de l' IRAN, mais je suis persuadé qu'ils arriveront quand méme à capter, petit à petit, une part du marché.

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Message par energy_isere » 11 déc. 2005, 23:57

First published October 2005; article no. 607 ASPO

It seems that the principal benefit of Empire was control of world trading currency. The British Empire at its prime was a magnificent construction spanning the World. It was built, not so much on military prowess, but on the back of traders who wanted political and administrative support. A huge hidden tribute flowed to the City of London from the use of the pound sterling for world trade. Germany was overtaking Britain as an industrial power in the 19th Century but lacked the advantage of controlling the world currency. Some see the two World Wars as a consequence.

The European Union started as a co-operative effort to better manage the iron and steel industries but has evolved in a classic imperial mode, seeking economic and financial hegemony through eastward expansion. This reflects the mindset and politico-economic environment of the First Half of the Age of Oil when banks lent more than they had on deposit, confident that Tomorrow’s Expansion, driven by cheap, largely oil-based, energy, was collateral for To-day’s Debt. The Second Half of the Age of Oil now dawns and will be marked by the decline of oil and all that depends upon it, calling for a radically new politico-economic system.

Meanwhile, the United States naturally fights to preserve its financial hegemony facing increasing opposition from the oil-rich Middle East. Iran seeks to develop a financial base for marketing Middle East oil, escaping from the domination of the dollar, but finds itself under increasing pressure under various pretexts.

The following article explains the implications:
From http://www.financialsense.com:

IRANIAN OIL BOURSE COULD KILL THE US DOLLAR
by Toni Straka ,August 23, 2005

Can the Iranian Oil Bourse become the catalyst for a significant blow to the position of worldwide power that the US Dollar enjoys? Manifold supply fears have driven the price of crude oil towards its historical records in real dollar terms. With the world facing a daily bill of roughly $5.5 billion for crude oil at current price levels, it becomes apparent that sellers and purchasers of the black gold are looking into all ways that could lead to a financial improvement on their respective side.

While the worldwide bottleneck of inadequate refining facilities and partly dramatic declines in production - for example in the North Sea - are two factors that cannot be eliminated in the short term, there is one area left which could result in smiling faces of oil producers and (most) buyers likewise. Non US dollar thinkers are the victim of a transaction cost in the oil trade. The necessary conversion of local banks can be considered a hidden tax, charged and enjoyed by the banking sector.

Until now oil is solely priced, traded and paid for in the greenback on both markets in London and New York. The Treasury Inflow Capital data from mid-2005 show that OPEC members have parked only a skimpy $120 billion in direct dollar holdings, which are almost equally split between equities and debt paper. This is a clear indication that oil producers are investing their windfalls elsewhere. The yield spread between US and EU debt papers in favor of the EU is clearly another hint where the petrodollars might flow after conversion.

The Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB) will become a factor that could further unsettle the dollar's dominant position.
Especially in the case of Iran, it does not make sense to accept dollars only for its much desired commodity. Being seen as a hostile country by the USA for its intention to build its own nuclear reactors one wonders whether the new IOB will not try to attract other buyers than Americans who are particularly unwelcome in that corner of the globe. Iran has recently announced that the new oil exchange will start up its computers in early 2006.
The IOB can count on two sharp arrows in their holster. It can - and probably will - lure European buyers with oil prices quoted in Euros, saving them transaction costs. And it can strike barter deals with oil-hungry giants like China and India who have a lot of products and commodities to offer. I doubt that hamburgers and legal services will be considered adequate collateral for the world's most after-sought resource.

A Renunciation of the Dollar Is Worse Than An Iranian Nuclear Attack

Steering away from the almighty commodity, currency and commodity currency - the US dollar - can have a deeper impact on the US economy than a direct nuclear attack by Iran. The permanent demand for dollar denominated paper stems to a good part from the fact that until now almost all resources of the world are quoted in it.

While this has led to the Eurodollar market in the 1970's, new terms of trade could ring the demise of the dollar as the premier reserve currency. With the world economy depending so much on oil, the black gold itself can be seen as a reserve currency that will be handed out only against the best collateral in the future. The Fed’s recent San Francisco paper about the progress of the diversification of international Central Bank' reserves shows that the dollar is in decline in many countries. NOTE: China has officially decided to diversify a part of its foreign exchange holdings into oil.

Iran holds a strong hand as the No.2 producer of crude behind Saudi Arabia. Politicians there will also keep in mind that dollar deposits might become a burden in the future when the US steps up its current war of words to the level of economic sanctions in the crusade against nuclear power plants. Money in the bank does not help when you have no access to it.

An abdication from the current status quo has only one real enemy: the USA, where less than five percent of the global population consume roughly one third of global production. Oil in Euros would benefit several million people more in the EU and its trading partners. And it would loosen the grip the USA has on OPEC members. Thinking of the rapid growth of hostilities between the USA and Arab nations in recent years a renunciation of the dollar appears to be more than just a wish in Arabic dreams.

As this development poses a very real and big danger to the superior status of the greenback and the interests of the USA the "president of war" can be expected to steer a close tack against the winds blowing from the Middle East. One may be reminded that the Iraqi despot Saddam Hussein had entered into discreet talks with the EU, proposing to sell his oil for Euros. That was in the year before the first oil war of this century.

In short, the IOB this way could help the Euro to become the interim primary reserve currency before China and India rise to the first two slots in the global economic ranking in the next few decades, an issue discussed in the post "What will be the next big reserve currency ."

A decline of the dollar's position in oil trading might also open the floodgates in other commodity markets where the dollar is the medium of exchange but where the USA has only a minority market share. A global economy driven by tough efficiency demands, in the light of thin profit margins almost everywhere, is a good primer for accounting changes in other commodity markets. This process could begin in resources like steel and energy and spread to all other resources that are marketed globally. The world outside the USA has a lot to gain and nothing to lose from it.
(Reference furnished by Prof. Rosa)

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Message par clemenb » 12 déc. 2005, 01:20

Mais les dommages collatéraux ( deséquilibre de l'économie va s'étendre un peu partout ) vont semer la pagaille partout.
Et il ne faut pas oublier que 75% de l'argent qui circule sur notre planète est du dollar. Par exemple, 90% des réseves de la banque centrale européennes sont des dollars.

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Message par metamec » 12 déc. 2005, 08:21

It seems that the principal benefit of Empire was control of world trading currency[...]The world outside the USA has a lot to gain and nothing to lose from it.
la version françasie dans la traduction de la lettre de l'aspo octobre 2005

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Message par energy_isere » 12 déc. 2005, 10:07

clemenb a écrit :
Mais les dommages collatéraux ( deséquilibre de l'économie va s'étendre un peu partout ) vont semer la pagaille partout.
Et il ne faut pas oublier que 75% de l'argent qui circule sur notre planète est du dollar. Par exemple, 90% des réseves de la banque centrale européennes sont des dollars.

oups , 90% des reserves Européennes en $, tu as des sources ?

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Message par Djian » 09 janv. 2006, 14:14

ca fait peur aux américains:
January 4, 2006 – On November 10th 2005, the Muckraker Report published an article that described one of the unspoken reasons why the United States had to invade Iraq; to liberate the U.S. dollar in Iraq so that Iraqi oil could once again be purchased with the petrodollar. See The liberation of the U.S. Dollar in Iraq


In November 2000, Iraq stopped accepting U.S. dollars for its oil. Counted as a purely political move, Saddam Hussein switched the currency required to purchase Iraqi oil to the euro. Selling oil through the U.N. Oil for Food Program, Iraq converted all of its U.S. dollars in its U.N. account to the euro. Shortly thereafter, Iraq converted $10 billion in its U.N. reserve fund to the euro. By the end of 2000, Iraq had abandoned the U.S. dollar completely.


Two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was ended, the country’s accounts were switched back to dollars, and oil began to be sold once again for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with the euro. Global U.S. dollar supremacy was restored. It is interesting to note that the latest recession which the United States endured began and ended within the same time frame as that during which Iraq was trading oil for euros. Whether this is a coincidence or related, the American people may never know.


In March 2006, Iran will take Iraq’s switch to the petroeuro to new heights by launching a third oil exchange. The Iranians have developed a petroeuro system for oil trade which, when enacted, will once again threaten U.S. dollar supremacy far greater than Iraq’s euro conversion. Called the Iran Oil Bourse, an exchange that only accepts the euro for oil sales would mean that the entire world could begin purchasing oil from any oil-producing nation with euros instead of dollars. The Iranian plan isn’t limited to purchasing one oil-producing country’s oil with euros. Its plan will create a global alternative to the U.S. dollar. Come March 2006, the Iran Oil Bourse will further the momentum of OPEC to create an alternate currency for oil purchases worldwide. China, Russia, and the European Union are evaluating the Iranian plan to exchange oil for euros and giving the plan serious consideration.


If you are skeptical regarding the meaning of oil being purchased with euros versus dollars and the devastating impact it will have on the economy of the United States, consider the historic move by the Federal Reserve to begin hiding information pertaining to the U.S. dollar money supply starting in March 2006. Since 1913, the year the abomination known as the Federal Reserve came to power, the supply of U.S. dollars was measured and publicly revealed through an index referred to as M-3. M-3 has been the main staple of money supply measurement and transparent disclosure since the Fed was founded. In his report, What’s the Fed up to with the money supply?, Robert McHugh writes, “On November 10, 2005, shortly after appointing Bernanke to replace Greenbackspan, the Fed mysteriously announced with little comment and no palatable justification that they will hide M-3 effective March 2006.” (To learn more about Robert McHugh's work, please visit https://www.technicalindicatorindex.com/Default.asp)


Is it mere coincidence that the Fed will begin hiding M-3 the same month that Iran will launch its Iran Oil Bourse, or is there a direct threat to the stability of the U.S. dollar, the U.S. economy, and the U.S. standard of living? Are Americans being set up for a collapse in our economy that will make the Great Depression of the 1930’s look like a bounced check? If you cannot or will not make the value and stability of the U.S. currency of personal importance, if you are unwilling to demand from your elected officials, an immediate abolishment of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the fiat money scheme that the banking cartel has used for nearly a century now to keep our government and our people in a state of perpetual debt, than you are faced with but two alternatives, abject poverty, or invading Iran.


The plans to invade Iran are unspoken, but unfolding before our very eyes. The media has been reporting on Iran more often, and increasingly harshly. For the U.S. government to justify invading Iran, it must first begin to phase out the War in Iraq, which it is already doing. Next, it must portray the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as a threat to the region and the world. Finally, once naive American people are convinced the “weapons of mass destruction” that were to be found in Iraq are actually in Iran, coupled with the almost daily media coverage of Iran’s nuclear power / weapons program aspirations, and what we will soon have on our hands is another fabricated war that will result in tens of thousands of civilian lives being lost, all because the political elected pawns in Washington DC lack the discipline to return our currency to a gold or silver standard, end the relationship with the foreign banking cartel called the Federal Reserve, and limit the activities of the U.S. government to those articulated in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution for the United States of America.


When a wayward and corrupt fiscal policy and fiat currency, coupled with runaway government spending, forces a nation to only be able to sustain the value of its currency with bullets, the citizenry of the country involved in wars primarily to sustain its currency have historically first became slaves to their government, and then to the nations that finally conquer them. If you question the validity of such a premise, or whether it could happen to the United States of America, study the fall of the Roman Empire. If you read the right books on the subject, you’ll quickly discover that towards the end of the Roman reign, the Roman Empire was doing exactly what America is doing today; attempting to sustain a failed fiat money system with bullets.


Understanding fiat money is not an easy task, and the Federal Reserve, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund have purposely made it that way. They do not want the American people to realize that the money in their wallet loses its value with each new dollar that they print. They do not want people to understand that our money does not become money until it is borrowed. When the Federal Reserve has money printed, when it is in uncut sheets of paper, it is not yet money. After it is cut, bundled, and placed into the Federal Reserve vaults, it still is not money. It only becomes money once it is borrowed. Consequently, if all debt were to be paid, if the United States didn’t have an $8 trillion national debt and the American people were debt free, and if all loans of U.S. dollars made to foreigners were paid in full, there would be exactly zero U.S. dollars in circulation because it will have all been returned to the vaults of the Federal Reserve. This might seem hard to fathom, but it is the gospel of fiat money.


The major news media in the United States, fed by Washington DC which in turn is fed by the Federal Reserve, literally, has already begun conditioning the American people for invading Iran. Media accounts of Iran’s nuclear ambitions along with amplification of the potential instability and core evilness of Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is setting the stage to spring the invasion of Iran on the American people. There does appear to be a direct correlation between the winding down effort underway in Iraq and the increase of anti-Iran rhetoric. How American soldiers ultimately arrive in Tehran is uncertain at this time, but it is reasonable to expect that if the Iran Oil Bourse opens for business in March 2006 as planned, it will only be a matter of time before the United States will have to blow it up.



If the United States invades Iran, or if Israel starts military actions by launches missiles at Iran’s nuclear power facilities, which then opens the door for the United States to intervene, most Americans will believe that our military actions in Iran will be to defend freedom and liberty while spreading democracy, when the truth is that we’ll be fighting a war in Iran because of our nation’s relationship with the Federal Reserve, a so-called bank that is not owned by the federal government, maintains no reserve, and isn’t a bank at all, but a cartel. Just like our war in Iraq, Americans and foreigners will die in battle so that the historical power bankers and brokers; cartel members such as Rothschild, Morgan, Lehman, Lizard, Schrader, Lobe, Kuhn, and Rockefeller to name a few, can continue collecting interest on every single U.S. coin and dollar bill in circulation, while controlling the U.S. Congress to the extent that the U.S. taxpayer becomes the collateral and lender of last resort to cover bad loans and unpaid debts that these institutions create by loaning money to third world countries, some of which are devout enemies of the United States. Remember the $400 billion savings & loan bailout approved by the U.S. Congress during the Reagan Administration? America is still paying for it – you and me, and so will our children and grandchildren.



It is well overdue for Americans, every American, to do whatever it takes to fully understand the relationship between the United States and the Federal Reserve, along with the grave consequences of our current fiat money system. For even if the United States wanted to continue to sustain the supremacy of the U.S. dollar with bullets, it is historically, impossible. When bullets become the commodity to secure a currency, it is a clear sign of devastating calamity looming. To ignore the warning signs is to suffer like you have never suffered before, or to die. Harsh words, but true.



Ed Haas is a freelance writer and author originally from Mt. Penn, Pennsylvania. He currently resides in beautiful Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina. To learn more about Ed's work, please visit craftingprose.com.
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Message par thorgal » 09 janv. 2006, 14:27

flippant ...

pour les non anglophones, une traduc serait pas mal ...

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