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Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par yvesT » 27 avr. 2013, 19:25

Alan, try to do a right click save as, and then open it from your computer.
By mail I will only be able to send you this one (12 meg).

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 27 avr. 2013, 18:35

YvesT,

When I try to open the pdf file. I get a "corrupt file" message.

Could you attach it to an eMail and send it to alansdrake at g mail period com ?

Thanks,

Alan

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par energy_isere » 27 avr. 2013, 12:08

alanfrombigeasy a écrit :One former LNG import terminal in Louisiana, Cheniere, has been granted an export permit, and they have signed a long term deal with the United Kingdom for a good % of their possible production.
The LNG price is based on the US wholesale price (@ Henry Hub, Louisiana).

That may be the only US LNG export terminal. For many years we have exported natural gas by pipeline to Mexico and we are beginning to do so to Eastern Canada.

Environmentalists are opposed to LNG exports because it means more tracking and less substitution for coal in the US. The chemical industry and other industries oppose LNG exports.

The Arthur Berman (ASPO-USA) view is US natural gas prices will climb soon enough to make export unattractive.

And Americans are not concerned about our chronic Balance of Trade deficit. We just print more dollars and hand those to the Chinese et al for goods.

Best Hopes ?

Alan
Thanks for your answer.

An article in Rigzone : America: On the Verge of Exporting LNG

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par yvesT » 27 avr. 2013, 08:34

Alan,
Not sure there was any formal calculation on this, "le grand Paris" also started with an international architects/urbanists consultation (with plenty of big names such as Jean Nouvel or Richard Rogers), and the densification aspect was present in most of them.
But Paris inner city is already very dense, some part of the first and second ring as well.
Also for instance there are currently quite a few projects for densification of the "cités" (the social housing quarters built in the sixties seventies, which contrary to some quite often perceived ideas aren't that dense at all, typically a FAR(floor area ration) around 0,7 when Paris is around 3,5)
Note : below a document that I find quite interesting regarding density and urban forms with plenty of concrete examples all around France :
http://www.fnau.org/file/news/HabitatFormesUrbaines.pdf
Do you know of some equivalent for the US or other countries ?

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 27 avr. 2013, 03:03

In Grenelle. did the carbon savings calculations from the 1,500 km of new tram lines include savings from creating more compact, walkable neighborhoods ? (What we call TOD - Transit Oriented Development).

Best Hopes for France,

Alan

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 25 avr. 2013, 16:35

Is the proposed LGV from CDG to Gare East Paris part of the Nouvelle Grand Paris ?

What will it cost ? Any idea on frequency of service ) just out of town TGV that stop first at CDG or special Paris only shuttle trains. What TGV trains go through CDG ?

What is the status ?

Are there any stops between CDG and Gare Est ? How many km, what time to travel ?

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 25 avr. 2013, 16:29

One former LNG import terminal in Louisiana, Cheniere, has been granted an export permit, and they have signed a long term deal with the United Kingdom for a good % of their possible production.
The LNG price is based on the US wholesale price (@ Henry Hub, Louisiana).

That may be the only US LNG export terminal. For many years we have exported natural gas by pipeline to Mexico and we are beginning to do so to Eastern Canada.

Environmentalists are opposed to LNG exports because it means more tracking and less substitution for coal in the US. The chemical industry and other industries oppose LNG exports.

The Arthur Berman (ASPO-USA) view is US natural gas prices will climb soon enough to make export unattractive.

And Americans are not concerned about our chronic Balance of Trade deficit. We just print more dollars and hand those to the Chinese et al for goods.

Best Hopes ?

Alan

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par yvesT » 25 avr. 2013, 09:43

Alan, about "Metro, tram or RER (commuter rail on steriods)."
RER is more in between subway and commuter rail, or railways standards going underground inside the city and able to use normal railways lines outside (as explained by Raminagrobis)
So more "metro on steroids".

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par energy_isere » 25 avr. 2013, 09:27

Hi Alan,

what are the latest decision on exporting LNG gas from your country ?

- Some wants to ban exports in order to keep low price of gas on the market to supply industry at low cost (that is a view from consumer). But that might lead to too low price for shale gas producer. ( shale gas bubble ?)

- Some would like to allow exports in order to have higher gas price on the market to help shale gas industry and allow better commercial balance for the conuntry ( that is a view from producer ).

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 25 avr. 2013, 00:28

In the USA, home heating oil is small and shrinking rapidly. The wholesale price of natural gas last winter was the energy equivalent of €9 per barrel. Now €19.barrel. Natural gas was cheaper than coal. So there is an immense economic incentive to switch from oil to natural gas or propane for heat.

In much of the United States, air conditioning (zero oil except in Hawaii & Puerto Rico) used more energy than heating. Certainly true of Nouvelle Orleans (29.8 latitude).

Transportation is consumes over 2/3rds of the oil used in the USA. If one does not count propane & butane as oil, then the % is higher. And the US is self sufficient in propane, butane and ethane.

Urban Rail promotes Transit Orientated Development, which uses significantly less energy of all types than Suburbia. The Chair of the Congress of New Urbanism claimed that TOD emitted 1/4th of the carbon of American Suburbia.

In addition, mew Metro lines last for centuries. FAR longer than adding insulation to modern American housing.

Best Hopes for more Mass Transit,

Alan Drake

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par Raminagrobis » 24 avr. 2013, 23:57

In financial terms, mass transit is not the most efficient way to save petroleum. 1 billion euros invested in metro lines saves much less oil than the same sum invested in energy efficency (like homes insulation).

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 24 avr. 2013, 21:08

A few minutes ago I posted the article on my blog - subject to revision.
http://oilfreetransport.blogspot.com/20 ... paris.html

And yes, it is that painting :) Delacroix I think.

Can you think of a better one to illustrate "A Revolution in Paris" as Oil Free Transport storms the barricades of the automobile and oil industries ?

Best Hopes,

Alan

My own avatar at https://www.facebook.com/alan.s.drake

Click the "Stand up for Freedom" image and see "Kick the Oil Habit". Perhaps someone should draw a French version ? A modern Delacroix :)

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par energy_isere » 24 avr. 2013, 20:09

alanfrombigeasy a écrit :My draft below. I plan to include that famous painting of the bare breasted woman leading the charge over the barricades :) ...............
What is wrong ? What did I miss ? What should I add ?

Best Hopes,

Alan
Raminagrobis, je te pressens pour répondre à Alan. :-)

@ Alan , you mean this painting I guess :
Image
''La Liberté guidant le peuple'' from Eugène Delacroix
this represent a scene in 1830 riots.

http://www.histoire-image.org/site/oeuv ... .php?i=234

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 24 avr. 2013, 20:03

My draft below. I plan to include that famous painting of the bare breasted woman leading the charge over the barricades :)

A Revolution in Paris

Every now and then, governments make infrastructure investments that change the way people & commerce move – and affect they way that they live. The daily rhythms of society are altered by a choice of where and how to invest, wisely or not.

Some such investments, such as the American investment in the Interstate Highway system, are quite questionable in their overall systemic impacts. Other choices stimulate the local and national economy by increasing efficiency, improve human health & well being, reduce air pollution, use fewer resources – both land and energy, increase National Security, reduce imports and reduce carbon emissions.

63% of the Swiss people voted in 1992 and again in 1998 to invest 30.5 billion Swiss francs over twenty years to improve their already excellent rail system. New tunnels under the Alps and a host of other improvements built for a better future.

Such a massive sum (equal to over $1 trillion for the USA, if adjusted for population and currency) had numerous goals, but the primary one was to shift freight over the Alps from trucks to electrified rail. A goal that has all of the above benefits.

The French people are in the midst of several such investments as part of a national program called Grenelle to reduce carbon emissions by a quarter in just a dozen years. Beyond the aggressive goals of Grenelle (ending in 2020), they have announced the greatest of them all – for Paris of course - in March, 2013.

Outside Paris, the French are building new tram (Light Rail) lines in almost every town of 100,000 & larger – and several smaller than 100,000. Their goal is 1,500 km of new tram lines for €21 billion this decade. They have accelerated the rate that new lines for TGV are being built – doubling the kilometers operating from 2009 to 2020. Meanwhile they are rapidly electrifying their other rail lines. They are aggressively supporting bicycling.

Le Nouveau Grand Paris was announced in March, 2013. This program will fundamentally change Greater Paris for the better. By 2030, 90% of Greater Parisians (Paris Metropole) will be within 2 km of an urban rail station – Metro, tram or RER (commuter rail on steriods).

In 2011 and 2012, the Conservatives announced Le Grand Express for Paris. This massive investment would have doubled the Paris Metro with 200 km (125 miles) of new subway lines. €21 billion invested from 2013 to 2025, 2 million new daily subway riders.

1.5 million of the 2 million expected new subway riders would be former bus riders. The operational savings from switching so many bus riders from bus to rail would pay for the €21 billion investment - hence the Conservative support.

Le Grand Paris was in addition to a massive tram (Light Rail) building program in Paris, with over 100 km of new tram (Light Rail) lines planned for the suburbs of Paris.

When the Socialists won the next election, the looked again at Le Grand Express and expanded it. They plan to increase annual spending by 50% (true ?) and add 5 years – to 2030 – to the oil free transportation plan for Paris.

By 2030, 90% of the 11.5 (8.2) million citizens of Greater Paris (the Paris Metropole) will be within 2 km (1.2 miles) of an urban rail station (Metro, tram, RER). With electric delivery trucks, and improved bicycling, much of Paris will become “oil optional”.

All of this will significantly reduce carbon emissions.

Background:

http://www.iledefrance.fr/fileadmin/con ... 3_500x.pdf

What is wrong ? What did I miss ? What should I add ?

Best Hopes,

Alan

Re: I need more information about Nouvelle Grand Paris trans

par alanfrombigeasy » 24 avr. 2013, 15:55

Raminagrobis,

Thank you very much :D

You added much to the technical details I gathered from the internet. also if you have any suggestions for improvements to my discussion of French trams at
http://oilfreetransport.blogspot.com
I would appreciate it.

I believe that I understand the technical details and costs of the conservative plans of 2011 & 2012 for Le Grand Express. I am still confused about the recent revisions.

I know that:

- RER Line E will be extended by an 8 km tunnel and XX km above ground, taking the shortest of the three western spurs of RER Line A. Ridership will grow from 190,000 ? weekday pax to 650,000.
About 100,000 of these will be stolen from overloaded RER Line A. New statiosn will connect with RER Lines A & B and Metro Line 1. €2 billion (milliards)

Metro Line 1 will be automated and all RER lines will be speeded up (how ? Will this increase capacity)

I am particularly interested in costs. I multiple by 4.75, convert € to $, and say "we (in the USA) could do the same". One example is Washington DC.

I have worked with one of the original designers of the Washington DC Metro (1962-63) in a Phase II & III. Our plans should almost triple passenger-km.
http://oilfreedc.blogspot.com

My larger purpose is to show what can be done and use both Climate and Peak Oil as reasons to do so in the US.

My taunt of my fellow Americans is "Can Americans work with the speed, efficiency and determination of French bureaucrats ?" after showing what the French have done and are doing.

Again Thanks and Best Hopes,

Alan

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